{"id":2800,"date":"2022-09-10T17:36:52","date_gmt":"2022-09-11T00:36:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.inedc.com\/22\/?p=2800"},"modified":"2022-09-10T17:36:52","modified_gmt":"2022-09-11T00:36:52","slug":"why-shoplifting-is-getting-out-of-control-in-california-vern-pierson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.inedc.com\/22\/09\/10\/why-shoplifting-is-getting-out-of-control-in-california-vern-pierson\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Shoplifting is Getting out of Control in California | Vern Pierson"},"content":{"rendered":"<pre>California Insider<\/pre>\n<p>(PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA) Sept 10, 2022 \u2014 Why did theft and robbery go rampant in California? Why are the statistics not reflecting the rising crime?<\/p>\n<p>My guest today is Vern Pierson, District Attorney of El Dorado County from Northern California, He also served several years with California Department of Justice as Deputy Attorney General.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/VuPXKYifSbs\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><em>Transcript [Auto Generated]<\/em><\/p>\n<p>0:00<br \/>\nsome people are saying theft in<br \/>\n0:01<br \/>\ncalifornia is legal now what we&#8217;ve done<br \/>\n0:04<br \/>\nis we&#8217;ve convinced a large number of<br \/>\n0:06<br \/>\npeople here in the state that there is<br \/>\n0:09<br \/>\nno consequence for their action and so<br \/>\n0:11<br \/>\nwe have this increased lawlessness that<br \/>\n0:14<br \/>\ncomes from it the view is i can take<br \/>\n0:16<br \/>\nother people&#8217;s property because nothing<br \/>\n0:18<br \/>\nwill happen to me so what happens if<br \/>\n0:20<br \/>\nsomebody steals at the store most<br \/>\n0:23<br \/>\nretailers<br \/>\n0:25<br \/>\nhave learned that if they call law<br \/>\n0:27<br \/>\nenforcement for a theft of less than 950<br \/>\n0:30<br \/>\ndollars that either law enforcement will<br \/>\n0:32<br \/>\nnot respond or if they respond at most<br \/>\n0:35<br \/>\nwhat they will do is issue a citation my<br \/>\n0:38<br \/>\nguest today is vern pearson district<br \/>\n0:41<br \/>\nattorney of el dorado county in northern<br \/>\n0:43<br \/>\ncalifornia he also served several years<br \/>\n0:46<br \/>\nwith california&#8217;s department of justice<br \/>\n0:49<br \/>\nas deputy attorney general<br \/>\n0:51<br \/>\nyou have to hold people accountable for<br \/>\n0:53<br \/>\ntheir actions that is the practical<br \/>\n0:55<br \/>\nreality and if you tell people you&#8217;re<br \/>\n0:57<br \/>\nnot going to hold them accountable for<br \/>\n0:59<br \/>\ntheir actions there&#8217;s a consequence for<br \/>\n1:01<br \/>\nthat and the consequence is increased<br \/>\n1:03<br \/>\ncrime<br \/>\n1:04<br \/>\nwhy is theft and robbery out of control<br \/>\n1:07<br \/>\nin california<br \/>\n1:08<br \/>\nand why are the statistics not<br \/>\n1:11<br \/>\nreflecting this rise in crime we&#8217;ll find<br \/>\n1:13<br \/>\nout in today&#8217;s episode i&#8217;m siama korami<br \/>\n1:17<br \/>\nwelcome to california insider<br \/>\n1:23<br \/>\nwell thank you for having me pleasure to<br \/>\n1:25<br \/>\nbe here<br \/>\n1:26<br \/>\nwe want to talk to you about theft some<br \/>\n1:28<br \/>\npeople are saying theft in california is<br \/>\n1:30<br \/>\nlegal now is this true<br \/>\n1:33<br \/>\nwell technically not legal but not<br \/>\n1:36<br \/>\nenforced is probably the better way to<br \/>\n1:37<br \/>\nput it certainly if it&#8217;s less than 950<br \/>\n1:40<br \/>\ndollars so<br \/>\n1:42<br \/>\nwith the passage of prop 47<br \/>\n1:44<br \/>\nabout eight years ago what we did was we<br \/>\n1:47<br \/>\nwe looked at most property crimes<br \/>\n1:50<br \/>\nand uh that were being prosecuted that<br \/>\n1:52<br \/>\ntime and said<br \/>\n1:54<br \/>\nmany of them that were felonies are now<br \/>\n1:56<br \/>\nmisdemeanors and many that were felon<br \/>\n1:59<br \/>\nmisdemeanors are essentially nothing and<br \/>\n2:02<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s a lack of enforcement for them<br \/>\n2:04<br \/>\nso what happens if somebody steals at<br \/>\n2:06<br \/>\nthe store or if somebody steals<br \/>\n2:09<br \/>\nyeah well and one of the the core areas<br \/>\n2:12<br \/>\nto understand here is that there&#8217;s this<br \/>\n2:15<br \/>\num<br \/>\n2:16<br \/>\nused to be what was called petty theft<br \/>\n2:18<br \/>\nof the prior in other words if someone<br \/>\n2:20<br \/>\nsteals and they have any amount of<br \/>\n2:23<br \/>\nproperty on them when they&#8217;re they&#8217;re<br \/>\n2:24<br \/>\ncaught by law enforcement uh if they<br \/>\n2:27<br \/>\nhave a history of that same type of<br \/>\n2:29<br \/>\ntheft they could be charged with a<br \/>\n2:30<br \/>\nfelony hence petty theft with a prior<br \/>\n2:34<br \/>\nand nowadays what happens and we&#8217;ve seen<br \/>\n2:36<br \/>\nit with some of these swarm<br \/>\n2:38<br \/>\nuh uh smash and grab robberies in stores<br \/>\n2:41<br \/>\nwhere the 15 people are running out with<br \/>\n2:44<br \/>\nwith stolen property<br \/>\n2:46<br \/>\nnine are detained let&#8217;s say<br \/>\n2:49<br \/>\ntwo of them have a large quantity amount<br \/>\n2:51<br \/>\nof money<br \/>\n2:53<br \/>\nof theft that&#8217;s been stole property<br \/>\n2:54<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s been stolen and the other seven<br \/>\n2:58<br \/>\nhave uh four five six seven eight<br \/>\n3:00<br \/>\nhundred dollars worth of property<br \/>\n3:02<br \/>\nthey&#8217;re only going to be charged with a<br \/>\n3:04<br \/>\nmisdemeanor depending on the<br \/>\n3:05<br \/>\ncircumstances and in california the way<br \/>\n3:08<br \/>\nit works is that essentially<br \/>\n3:10<br \/>\nmisdemeanors have very little<br \/>\n3:11<br \/>\nconsequence certainly as it relates to<br \/>\n3:14<br \/>\nproperty crime so can you explain very<br \/>\n3:16<br \/>\nlittle consequence what it means<br \/>\n3:18<br \/>\nwell in the practical reality is is that<br \/>\n3:22<br \/>\nmost retailers<br \/>\n3:24<br \/>\nhave learned that if they call law<br \/>\n3:26<br \/>\nenforcement for a theft of less than 950<br \/>\n3:29<br \/>\ndollars that either law enforcement will<br \/>\n3:32<br \/>\nnot respond or if they respond at most<br \/>\n3:35<br \/>\nwhat they will do is issue a citation uh<br \/>\n3:38<br \/>\nto the person who is stealing that<br \/>\n3:40<br \/>\nproperty so the practical reality is<br \/>\n3:42<br \/>\nmost retailers in in california has some<br \/>\n3:46<br \/>\ntype of policy<br \/>\n3:47<br \/>\ntelling them telling the employees not<br \/>\n3:50<br \/>\nto report low-level property crimes and<br \/>\n3:53<br \/>\nand that&#8217;s for a number of<br \/>\n3:54<br \/>\nunderstandable reasons one is there&#8217;s no<br \/>\n3:56<br \/>\nconsequence for if if they do report it<br \/>\n3:59<br \/>\nand number two if the person is<br \/>\n4:02<br \/>\nemotionally disturbed in some way<br \/>\n4:05<br \/>\nfights with their employees<br \/>\n4:07<br \/>\ninjures an employee<br \/>\n4:09<br \/>\nsomething like that happens<br \/>\n4:11<br \/>\nthen<br \/>\n4:12<br \/>\noftentimes what will happen is that this<br \/>\n4:14<br \/>\nthe store or will be sued by the person<br \/>\n4:17<br \/>\nthat they attempted to arrest so from a<br \/>\n4:21<br \/>\nliability standpoint oftentimes<br \/>\n4:24<br \/>\nretailers are just saying the thief can<br \/>\n4:26<br \/>\nactually go and sue the store and the<br \/>\n4:28<br \/>\nstores are afraid of that lawsuit right<br \/>\n4:30<br \/>\nright we&#8217;re a very litigious society<br \/>\n4:32<br \/>\nhere in california and the stores are<br \/>\n4:35<br \/>\nand their insurance carriers really are<br \/>\n4:37<br \/>\nafraid with being sued<br \/>\n4:39<br \/>\nfor uh<br \/>\n4:40<br \/>\ntrying to stop a crime<br \/>\n4:42<br \/>\nthat has little or no consequence<br \/>\n4:44<br \/>\nyou mentioned when somebody has a<br \/>\n4:46<br \/>\nmisdemeanor they would get a ticket<br \/>\n4:48<br \/>\nright uh what does that mean would they<br \/>\n4:50<br \/>\nend up having to pay a fine would they<br \/>\n4:52<br \/>\nhave to would they end up going to<br \/>\n4:53<br \/>\nprison or would they<br \/>\n4:54<br \/>\nthe practical reality is over the last<br \/>\n4:57<br \/>\nseveral years they would get a citation<br \/>\n4:59<br \/>\nciting them into court and they probably<br \/>\n5:01<br \/>\nwould never show up to court and there<br \/>\n5:03<br \/>\nprobably would never be any consequence<br \/>\n5:06<br \/>\nfor the most part and depending on what<br \/>\n5:08<br \/>\ncity you&#8217;re talking about san francisco<br \/>\n5:10<br \/>\nlos angeles there&#8217;s little or no<br \/>\n5:12<br \/>\nconsequence for for theft and so what<br \/>\n5:14<br \/>\nwe&#8217;ve done is we&#8217;ve convinced a large<br \/>\n5:17<br \/>\nnumber of people here in the state that<br \/>\n5:21<br \/>\nthere is no consequence for their action<br \/>\n5:23<br \/>\nand so we have this increased<br \/>\n5:24<br \/>\nlawlessness that comes from it the view<br \/>\n5:27<br \/>\nis i can take other people&#8217;s property<br \/>\n5:29<br \/>\nbecause nothing will happen to me<br \/>\n5:32<br \/>\nand if you do that enough times and<br \/>\n5:34<br \/>\nwe&#8217;ve seen it there&#8217;s been a number of<br \/>\n5:36<br \/>\ndifferent studies that has been done<br \/>\n5:38<br \/>\nthat said we have the same people that<br \/>\n5:40<br \/>\nare stealing over and over again and<br \/>\n5:43<br \/>\nwhen they&#8217;re caught there&#8217;s no<br \/>\n5:44<br \/>\nconsequence<br \/>\n5:46<br \/>\nand what is the impact of this is this<br \/>\n5:48<br \/>\ngoing to affect us in any bigger ways<br \/>\n5:51<br \/>\nwhen we watch we turn on the news or we<br \/>\n5:53<br \/>\nwatch turn on youtube and you see the<br \/>\n5:55<br \/>\nsmash and grabs taking place or large<br \/>\n5:57<br \/>\nscale<br \/>\n5:58<br \/>\nthefts and then you have<br \/>\n6:00<br \/>\nwalgreens let&#8217;s say closing their stores<br \/>\n6:03<br \/>\nor starbucks more recently saying we&#8217;re<br \/>\n6:06<br \/>\ngoing to close stores in certain areas<br \/>\n6:08<br \/>\nbecause we can&#8217;t uh deal with the the<br \/>\n6:11<br \/>\ncrime that&#8217;s associated with it<br \/>\n6:14<br \/>\nand it&#8217;s it i think it&#8217;s a<br \/>\n6:17<br \/>\nit&#8217;s something that increases over time<br \/>\n6:19<br \/>\nin terms of<br \/>\n6:21<br \/>\nwhere society at large is saying<br \/>\n6:24<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s no consequence for for<br \/>\n6:26<br \/>\ncriminality then<br \/>\n6:29<br \/>\nwe&#8217;re kind of losing a big part of<br \/>\n6:31<br \/>\nsociety itself and so people<br \/>\n6:34<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t feel comfortable walking the<br \/>\n6:35<br \/>\nstreets of san francisco you have large<br \/>\n6:39<br \/>\nassociations that say we don&#8217;t want to<br \/>\n6:42<br \/>\nhave our conference in san francisco or<br \/>\n6:44<br \/>\nin los angeles because<br \/>\n6:46<br \/>\nwe don&#8217;t want to have our our people<br \/>\n6:47<br \/>\nbeing robbed or or other otherwise<br \/>\n6:50<br \/>\nharmed<br \/>\n6:51<br \/>\num in that manner now do you think this<br \/>\n6:54<br \/>\ncould spill into other types of crimes<br \/>\n6:56<br \/>\nor is it going to stay with what it is<br \/>\n6:59<br \/>\nno i think it is i mean<br \/>\n7:02<br \/>\nwhen we as a society say<br \/>\n7:05<br \/>\nthat<br \/>\n7:06<br \/>\nlow-level crimes have little or no<br \/>\n7:08<br \/>\nconsequence i think the effect of that<br \/>\n7:10<br \/>\nis that more serious crimes<br \/>\n7:14<br \/>\nincrease as well and i think that&#8217;s<br \/>\n7:16<br \/>\nwhat&#8217;s happened over the last several<br \/>\n7:17<br \/>\nyears<br \/>\n7:19<br \/>\nsome people and some newspapers are<br \/>\n7:21<br \/>\nactually looking at the data and they&#8217;re<br \/>\n7:23<br \/>\nsaying that crime is not<br \/>\n7:25<br \/>\nup right despite all the videos that we<br \/>\n7:28<br \/>\nsee on social media and what are your<br \/>\n7:30<br \/>\nthoughts on that<br \/>\n7:31<br \/>\nwell<br \/>\n7:32<br \/>\nit&#8217;s wrong the the data is is uh<br \/>\n7:36<br \/>\nincorrect at this point and let me<br \/>\n7:37<br \/>\nexplain what i mean when we when we when<br \/>\n7:40<br \/>\nprop 47 decriminalized certain types of<br \/>\n7:42<br \/>\ndrug crimes and low-level property<br \/>\n7:44<br \/>\ncrimes it changed the way we report<br \/>\n7:47<br \/>\ncrimes in other words<br \/>\n7:49<br \/>\nif it was a misdemeanor before it became<br \/>\n7:52<br \/>\nessentially nothing many felonies became<br \/>\n7:54<br \/>\nmisdemeanors so<br \/>\n7:56<br \/>\nwhen<br \/>\n7:57<br \/>\nwhen people say<br \/>\n7:58<br \/>\nthey feel in their communities as though<br \/>\n8:01<br \/>\ntheir neighbors or houses are being<br \/>\n8:02<br \/>\nburglarized uh they see videos of<br \/>\n8:05<br \/>\nwalgreens having as many as 20 different<br \/>\n8:08<br \/>\nshopliftings in it in a day<br \/>\n8:10<br \/>\nand then they ask the question<br \/>\n8:12<br \/>\nwhere&#8217;s the reports of this when when we<br \/>\n8:14<br \/>\nlook at the numbers why isn&#8217;t the data<br \/>\n8:16<br \/>\nfollowing that and this what this goes<br \/>\n8:19<br \/>\nback to is this this problem with<br \/>\n8:21<br \/>\nretailers not fully reporting the crimes<br \/>\n8:24<br \/>\nin other words<br \/>\n8:27<br \/>\nif there&#8217;s a disincentive to report for<br \/>\n8:29<br \/>\na retailer other words you might if you<br \/>\n8:31<br \/>\ncall law enforcement number one they not<br \/>\n8:34<br \/>\nmight not respond number two if they do<br \/>\n8:36<br \/>\nrespond they&#8217;ll only issue a citation<br \/>\n8:39<br \/>\nat most and there&#8217;ll be no consequence<br \/>\n8:41<br \/>\nso retailers have kind of shifted the<br \/>\n8:43<br \/>\nway they deal with that<br \/>\n8:44<br \/>\nthe the more accurate numbers<br \/>\n8:47<br \/>\nwithin the data of where crime is are<br \/>\n8:51<br \/>\nthings around<br \/>\n8:53<br \/>\nshootings because those are reported to<br \/>\n8:55<br \/>\nlaw enforcement<br \/>\n8:58<br \/>\ncrimes involving automobiles in other<br \/>\n9:00<br \/>\nwords a car burglary<br \/>\n9:02<br \/>\na car theft insurance companies here in<br \/>\n9:06<br \/>\ncalifornia and throughout the united<br \/>\n9:07<br \/>\nstates require people to to have a<br \/>\n9:11<br \/>\npolice work even if it&#8217;s simply a police<br \/>\n9:13<br \/>\nreport where you call in and you take<br \/>\n9:15<br \/>\nhave a police report taken by by phone<br \/>\n9:17<br \/>\ncall or you go online and taking it<br \/>\n9:19<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s an accurate record of that and<br \/>\n9:22<br \/>\nwhat we&#8217;ve seen in the last<br \/>\n9:24<br \/>\nsix or seven years is those types of<br \/>\n9:27<br \/>\ncrimes have gone up dramatically<br \/>\n9:29<br \/>\nauto burglaries auto thefts are up<br \/>\n9:32<br \/>\ndramatically and that&#8217;s a truer<br \/>\n9:35<br \/>\nset of data for where crime actually is<br \/>\n9:38<br \/>\nin california what about the shootings<br \/>\n9:40<br \/>\nwhat&#8217;s the difference between shootings<br \/>\n9:42<br \/>\nand homicides because the homicide<br \/>\n9:44<br \/>\nnumbers are very up the homicide numbers<br \/>\n9:47<br \/>\nare up but we&#8217;ve been told by experts to<br \/>\n9:49<br \/>\nonly trust the homicide homicide numbers<br \/>\n9:51<br \/>\nbecause well and that&#8217;s true because<br \/>\n9:53<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s an accurate reporting for<br \/>\n9:54<br \/>\nhomicides but it&#8217;s also not true in<br \/>\n9:56<br \/>\nother words the the shootings are up<br \/>\n10:00<br \/>\neven more than the homicides are up and<br \/>\n10:03<br \/>\nwhat&#8217;s happened post 9 11 is most trauma<br \/>\n10:06<br \/>\ncenters throughout the united states and<br \/>\n10:08<br \/>\nparticularly here in california are<br \/>\n10:10<br \/>\nstaffed with doctors and and nurses who<br \/>\n10:14<br \/>\nhave<br \/>\n10:15<br \/>\ndeveloped a high degree of expertise in<br \/>\n10:18<br \/>\ndealing with gunshot wounds a lot of<br \/>\n10:20<br \/>\nthem are veterans or observed either in<br \/>\n10:22<br \/>\nthe military or supported that<br \/>\n10:24<br \/>\nand the the various techniques for<br \/>\n10:26<br \/>\ntreating gunshot wounds means that your<br \/>\n10:28<br \/>\nsurvivability today is significantly<br \/>\n10:31<br \/>\nhigher than it was back in the the peak<br \/>\n10:33<br \/>\nof crime in the 1990s<br \/>\n10:35<br \/>\nso we&#8217;ve gotten better at dealing with<br \/>\n10:37<br \/>\nshootings right um but we have a lot<br \/>\n10:40<br \/>\nmore shootings so we have less homicides<br \/>\n10:42<br \/>\nright that is that yeah we have a<br \/>\n10:44<br \/>\nproliferation of guns<br \/>\n10:46<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s a lot of firearms here in in the<br \/>\n10:48<br \/>\nunited states and here in california and<br \/>\n10:51<br \/>\nbecause of various policies that have<br \/>\n10:53<br \/>\ngone into effect<br \/>\n10:55<br \/>\nmore people are carrying firearms when<br \/>\n10:57<br \/>\nthey&#8217;re committing crimes<br \/>\n10:59<br \/>\nand then ultimately there&#8217;s more<br \/>\n11:00<br \/>\nshootings but the treatment for for<br \/>\n11:03<br \/>\npeople who have been shot the the<br \/>\n11:05<br \/>\nlikelihood of surviving is tremendously<br \/>\n11:08<br \/>\nhigher today than it was back in the<br \/>\n11:10<br \/>\n1990s<br \/>\n11:12<br \/>\nnow what about the policymakers so<br \/>\n11:15<br \/>\nyou have been involved with the district<br \/>\n11:17<br \/>\nattorneys you you&#8217;ve led the<br \/>\n11:18<br \/>\norganization what what are the policy<br \/>\n11:20<br \/>\nmakers thinking when they&#8217;re seeing all<br \/>\n11:22<br \/>\nof this well i i think they&#8217;re the<br \/>\n11:25<br \/>\nlegislature here in california is<br \/>\n11:28<br \/>\nlargely disconnected from the people<br \/>\n11:30<br \/>\nthey represent and i just don&#8217;t know<br \/>\n11:32<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s any other way of describing it<br \/>\n11:35<br \/>\ni&#8217;ll give you for instance<br \/>\n11:37<br \/>\nrecently<br \/>\n11:38<br \/>\nover the last few years there was a<br \/>\n11:40<br \/>\neffort to go to what&#8217;s called zero<br \/>\n11:42<br \/>\ndollar bail in other words bail where<br \/>\n11:44<br \/>\nthe person is not required to to they<br \/>\n11:47<br \/>\ncan be released without putting up any<br \/>\n11:48<br \/>\nmoney they mentioned bill was racist<br \/>\n11:50<br \/>\nright because there&#8217;s<br \/>\n11:51<br \/>\nall sorts of arguments about if you&#8217;re<br \/>\n11:53<br \/>\npoor you can&#8217;t afford right and and so<br \/>\n11:55<br \/>\nthere was a there was a bill that passed<br \/>\n11:57<br \/>\nand then there was a referendum where<br \/>\n11:59<br \/>\nthe people of the state of california<br \/>\n12:01<br \/>\nrejected that uh referendum uh uh<br \/>\n12:05<br \/>\nrejected that law so it&#8217;s not on the<br \/>\n12:07<br \/>\nbooks today and there&#8217;s an effort going<br \/>\n12:09<br \/>\non again in the california legislature<br \/>\n12:12<br \/>\nto come back to it so in other words<br \/>\n12:14<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s what i mean by disconnect in<br \/>\n12:15<br \/>\nterms of the voters spoke very clearly<br \/>\n12:18<br \/>\nwe don&#8217;t agree with letting people out<br \/>\n12:20<br \/>\nof custody who have committed crimes<br \/>\n12:23<br \/>\nwithout some type of consequence or some<br \/>\n12:25<br \/>\ntype of<br \/>\n12:27<br \/>\na string tied to them to ensure that<br \/>\n12:29<br \/>\nthey come to court and that they don&#8217;t<br \/>\n12:31<br \/>\ncommit other crimes the voters rejected<br \/>\n12:34<br \/>\nthat type of zero dollar bail and yet<br \/>\n12:36<br \/>\nthe legislators are seeking to do it<br \/>\n12:38<br \/>\nonce again and what about the rest of<br \/>\n12:41<br \/>\nthe california government so you guys<br \/>\n12:43<br \/>\nthe district attorneys and there is the<br \/>\n12:45<br \/>\npolice and then there&#8217;s other factors<br \/>\n12:48<br \/>\nhow much<br \/>\n12:49<br \/>\nsay do you guys have or how much can you<br \/>\n12:51<br \/>\nguys do or have you been doing it well<br \/>\n12:54<br \/>\nthe district attorney in any given<br \/>\n12:55<br \/>\ncounty has a lot of influence over how<br \/>\n12:58<br \/>\ncrimes are prosecuted<br \/>\n13:01<br \/>\nand from county to county there&#8217;s a huge<br \/>\n13:04<br \/>\nvariety in other words or<br \/>\n13:06<br \/>\na huge difference is probably the better<br \/>\n13:08<br \/>\nway to put it in los angeles county you<br \/>\n13:11<br \/>\nhave george gascon who when he came into<br \/>\n13:13<br \/>\noffice he made certain policy decisions<br \/>\n13:16<br \/>\nthat<br \/>\n13:17<br \/>\nzero bail letting people out of custody<br \/>\n13:19<br \/>\nnot not using three strikes not<br \/>\n13:22<br \/>\ndifferentiating on offenders<br \/>\n13:25<br \/>\nthat had significant criminal history<br \/>\n13:27<br \/>\nversus ones that have<br \/>\n13:29<br \/>\nlittle or no criminal history not<br \/>\n13:31<br \/>\nprosecuting people for for using<br \/>\n13:33<br \/>\nfirearms in the commission of a crime<br \/>\n13:36<br \/>\nand and then you you compare that to<br \/>\n13:39<br \/>\ncertain other jurisdictions and the<br \/>\n13:41<br \/>\ndistrict attorneys<br \/>\n13:42<br \/>\n[Music]<br \/>\n13:44<br \/>\nare very aggressive with dealing with<br \/>\n13:45<br \/>\ncrime and the differences are pretty<br \/>\n13:47<br \/>\nstark in terms of you know counties like<br \/>\n13:49<br \/>\nmy county uh placer county have the<br \/>\n13:53<br \/>\nlowest<br \/>\n13:54<br \/>\nper capita crime<br \/>\n13:56<br \/>\nuh in california and among the lowest in<br \/>\n13:59<br \/>\nin the united states and law enforcement<br \/>\n14:02<br \/>\nhas a very good relationship with the<br \/>\n14:04<br \/>\ncommunities versus in other<br \/>\n14:05<br \/>\njurisdictions where law enforcement does<br \/>\n14:07<br \/>\nnot have a very good relationship the<br \/>\n14:09<br \/>\nda&#8217;s do not have a good relationship<br \/>\n14:11<br \/>\nwith the community and crime is very<br \/>\n14:12<br \/>\nhigh<br \/>\n14:13<br \/>\nso do you think certain counties in<br \/>\n14:15<br \/>\ncalifornia based on the district<br \/>\n14:17<br \/>\nattorneys that they have<br \/>\n14:19<br \/>\nthey&#8217;re going to be very different from<br \/>\n14:21<br \/>\nrest of<br \/>\n14:22<br \/>\ncalifornia yes you&#8217;re going to have a<br \/>\n14:24<br \/>\ncompletely different experience living<br \/>\n14:26<br \/>\nin l.a<br \/>\n14:27<br \/>\nversus you live in san diego or you live<br \/>\n14:29<br \/>\nin orange county is that how it&#8217;s going<br \/>\n14:30<br \/>\nto be in the near future well it really<br \/>\n14:33<br \/>\nshouldn&#8217;t be that way that there&#8217;s a a<br \/>\n14:35<br \/>\ndifferent quality of life from<br \/>\n14:37<br \/>\njurisdiction to jurisdiction but we we<br \/>\n14:40<br \/>\nyou know the practical reality is that<br \/>\n14:42<br \/>\nyou have certain communities where<br \/>\n14:45<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s been a<br \/>\n14:47<br \/>\nphilosophical<br \/>\n14:49<br \/>\nshift there is a political shift<br \/>\n14:52<br \/>\num to<br \/>\n14:53<br \/>\nto<br \/>\n14:55<br \/>\nwhat i can characterize as a culture of<br \/>\n14:56<br \/>\nlawlessness<br \/>\n14:58<br \/>\nand we&#8217;re<br \/>\n14:59<br \/>\nthe the d.a<br \/>\n15:01<br \/>\nbehaves more of a public defender and is<br \/>\n15:03<br \/>\nsympathetic to defendants<br \/>\n15:06<br \/>\nas opposed to sympathetic to the victims<br \/>\n15:09<br \/>\nof crime<br \/>\n15:10<br \/>\nand uh<br \/>\n15:12<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s a kind of at its core what the<br \/>\n15:14<br \/>\ndifferences are in my view the way i was<br \/>\n15:16<br \/>\ntrained in in my experience in terms of<br \/>\n15:19<br \/>\nmy career as a prosecutor for 30 years<br \/>\n15:22<br \/>\nis that you know we look for first and<br \/>\n15:24<br \/>\nforemost to take care of the victims of<br \/>\n15:27<br \/>\ncrime<br \/>\n15:28<br \/>\nuh and<br \/>\n15:29<br \/>\nwe can acknowledge and recognize that<br \/>\n15:32<br \/>\nthat sometimes people uh get involved in<br \/>\n15:34<br \/>\ncriminal activity for whatever reason<br \/>\n15:36<br \/>\nmight be<br \/>\n15:38<br \/>\nand i&#8217;m certainly not an advocate for<br \/>\n15:39<br \/>\nwhat&#8217;s been characterized as mass<br \/>\n15:41<br \/>\nincarceration but you have to hold<br \/>\n15:44<br \/>\npeople accountable for their actions<br \/>\n15:46<br \/>\nthat is the practical reality and if you<br \/>\n15:48<br \/>\ntell people you&#8217;re not going to hold<br \/>\n15:50<br \/>\nthem accountable for their actions<br \/>\n15:52<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s a consequence for that and the<br \/>\n15:54<br \/>\nconsequence is increased crime<br \/>\n15:56<br \/>\nnow do you think criminals are actually<br \/>\n15:58<br \/>\nlooking at different districts and<br \/>\n16:00<br \/>\nsaying okay i<br \/>\n16:01<br \/>\nin here i can do if i&#8217;m in san francisco<br \/>\n16:05<br \/>\nit&#8217;s okay for me to break into a car and<br \/>\n16:07<br \/>\ntake the backpack<br \/>\n16:08<br \/>\nversus i shouldn&#8217;t do that in some other<br \/>\n16:11<br \/>\nyeah and that&#8217;s an excellent point so<br \/>\n16:13<br \/>\nwith with uh car burglaries car thefts<br \/>\n16:16<br \/>\nuh the city of san francisco versus uh<br \/>\n16:19<br \/>\nsan mateo county where the the<br \/>\n16:22<br \/>\nthe<br \/>\n16:23<br \/>\nsfo the airport in san francisco is<br \/>\n16:25<br \/>\nactually located in san mateo county<br \/>\n16:28<br \/>\nwhich is right next door that the the<br \/>\n16:30<br \/>\npolicies between those two<br \/>\n16:33<br \/>\nuh jurisdictions are night and day in<br \/>\n16:35<br \/>\nsan mateo county if you steal things if<br \/>\n16:38<br \/>\nyou break into cars you steal a car you<br \/>\n16:40<br \/>\nwill be held accountable for that in san<br \/>\n16:43<br \/>\nfrancisco you will not<br \/>\n16:44<br \/>\ncar break-ins car thefts are<br \/>\n16:46<br \/>\ndramatically higher in san francisco<br \/>\n16:48<br \/>\nthan they are right next door in san<br \/>\n16:50<br \/>\nfran in san mateo county<br \/>\n16:52<br \/>\nand what we&#8217;ve seen is that the the<br \/>\n16:55<br \/>\ncriminals do communicate with each other<br \/>\n16:57<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s videos we have a video out of uh<br \/>\n16:59<br \/>\nfolsom prison of a<br \/>\n17:02<br \/>\na murderer from l.a county uh right<br \/>\n17:05<br \/>\nafter the george gascon directives came<br \/>\n17:07<br \/>\nout in into effect and they&#8217;re they&#8217;re<br \/>\n17:10<br \/>\ntoasting drinking it&#8217;s called pruno<br \/>\n17:13<br \/>\ninmate manufactured<br \/>\n17:16<br \/>\nalcohol and they&#8217;re toasting the gascone<br \/>\n17:18<br \/>\ndirectives and how that will change them<br \/>\n17:21<br \/>\nso we i i think we&#8217;ve seen it i&#8217;ve seen<br \/>\n17:24<br \/>\nit in my career<br \/>\n17:25<br \/>\nthe criminals know<br \/>\n17:28<br \/>\nhow laws have shifted when three strikes<br \/>\n17:30<br \/>\ntook place going back many years<br \/>\n17:32<br \/>\na<br \/>\n17:33<br \/>\ncrime<br \/>\n17:35<br \/>\nrapidly was it was decreasing after the<br \/>\n17:37<br \/>\npassage of three strikes when inmates<br \/>\n17:40<br \/>\nwould come into custody<br \/>\n17:41<br \/>\nthey were all talking about whether or<br \/>\n17:43<br \/>\nnot someone was a striker or not a<br \/>\n17:45<br \/>\nstriker there was a real<br \/>\n17:47<br \/>\nuh communication<br \/>\n17:49<br \/>\namongst uh<br \/>\n17:51<br \/>\ncriminals<br \/>\n17:52<br \/>\nregarding what the consequences would be<br \/>\n17:54<br \/>\nand there was an awareness that they had<br \/>\n17:56<br \/>\nthat they would be held accountable for<br \/>\n17:58<br \/>\ntheir actions it seems like some<br \/>\n18:01<br \/>\ncounties are more easier for criminals<br \/>\n18:02<br \/>\nto go to to commit the crime and then<br \/>\n18:05<br \/>\nmaybe people go to these counties commit<br \/>\n18:07<br \/>\nthe crime and come out<br \/>\n18:08<br \/>\nis this happening<br \/>\n18:10<br \/>\nwell i think it&#8217;s definitely happening<br \/>\n18:11<br \/>\nin depending on jurisdiction<br \/>\n18:14<br \/>\njurisdictions have reputations for<br \/>\n18:17<br \/>\nwhether or not people are held<br \/>\n18:19<br \/>\nin custody or not held in custody and<br \/>\n18:22<br \/>\ngoing back to the example i used before<br \/>\n18:23<br \/>\nwith san francisco and san mateo county<br \/>\n18:26<br \/>\nright next door<br \/>\n18:28<br \/>\nin san francisco<br \/>\n18:30<br \/>\nit&#8217;s pretty well known that<br \/>\n18:32<br \/>\nmost people will either not be booked in<br \/>\n18:35<br \/>\nwho are arrested will either not be<br \/>\n18:36<br \/>\nbooked into jail or if they&#8217;re booked<br \/>\n18:38<br \/>\ninto the jail they&#8217;ll be released pretty<br \/>\n18:39<br \/>\nquickly right next door in san mateo<br \/>\n18:41<br \/>\ncounty that&#8217;s very different and there&#8217;s<br \/>\n18:43<br \/>\na there&#8217;s a recent example where a<br \/>\n18:46<br \/>\na person on bart traveling from san<br \/>\n18:48<br \/>\nfrancisco down to the airport was uh<br \/>\n18:51<br \/>\nassaulted and robbed on the uh uh on the<br \/>\n18:55<br \/>\non the tram uh the bart tram and the uh<br \/>\n18:59<br \/>\nin technically in san francisco uh he<br \/>\n19:03<br \/>\nthe individual was arrested taken to the<br \/>\n19:05<br \/>\nsan francisco jail it was a sunday and<br \/>\n19:08<br \/>\nthe jail<br \/>\n19:09<br \/>\nbasically told law enforcement we&#8217;re not<br \/>\n19:11<br \/>\ngoing to take this individual because<br \/>\n19:13<br \/>\nit&#8217;s a sunday and we&#8217;re not doing intake<br \/>\n19:15<br \/>\ntoday so law enforcement drove down to<br \/>\n19:18<br \/>\nsan mateo county booked the person in<br \/>\n19:20<br \/>\nsan mateo county<br \/>\n19:22<br \/>\njail<br \/>\n19:23<br \/>\nand because it&#8217;s public transit san<br \/>\n19:25<br \/>\nmateo county actually prosecuted that<br \/>\n19:28<br \/>\nindividual<br \/>\n19:29<br \/>\nand<br \/>\n19:31<br \/>\nwe know it people that work within the<br \/>\n19:32<br \/>\nsystem we know where these variances are<br \/>\n19:35<br \/>\nand<br \/>\n19:36<br \/>\nwe&#8217;re silly to think that uh criminals<br \/>\n19:40<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t also aren&#8217;t also aware of the same<br \/>\n19:42<br \/>\ndifferences<br \/>\n19:44<br \/>\nyou mentioned gascon and where do you<br \/>\n19:46<br \/>\nthink these uh policies come from<br \/>\n19:49<br \/>\nbecause they&#8217;ve been pretty<br \/>\n19:50<br \/>\ncontroversial a lot of people have<br \/>\n19:52<br \/>\nhave said that these are not good for<br \/>\n19:54<br \/>\nthe criminal justice system well i i<br \/>\n19:56<br \/>\nthink in some respects it&#8217;s just a a<br \/>\n19:58<br \/>\nwell-intentioned but misguided<br \/>\n20:01<br \/>\neffort<br \/>\n20:03<br \/>\nto change the system and i i my own<br \/>\n20:05<br \/>\npersonal opinion is that<br \/>\n20:07<br \/>\nhe although he has a lot of experience<br \/>\n20:10<br \/>\nin the criminal justice system he just<br \/>\n20:12<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t understand it he doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\n20:14<br \/>\nunderstand that when you change<br \/>\n20:15<br \/>\nsomething on one end of it as as in you<br \/>\n20:18<br \/>\nput out a directive saying there&#8217;ll be<br \/>\n20:20<br \/>\nno firearm enhancements um he doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\n20:23<br \/>\nseems to not understand that if you say<br \/>\n20:25<br \/>\nsomething like that people who before<br \/>\n20:28<br \/>\nwere going to do a<br \/>\n20:30<br \/>\nwhat&#8217;s called a strong armed robbery<br \/>\n20:33<br \/>\nthey wouldn&#8217;t carry a firearm because<br \/>\n20:34<br \/>\nthey knew there was a significant<br \/>\n20:36<br \/>\nconsequence for that<br \/>\n20:37<br \/>\nthey would feel free i guess i will<br \/>\n20:40<br \/>\ncarry a firearm if nothing&#8217;s going to<br \/>\n20:41<br \/>\nhappen to me if there&#8217;s no real<br \/>\n20:43<br \/>\nconsequence<br \/>\n20:44<br \/>\nfor being armed with a firearm then<br \/>\n20:46<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s what i&#8217;ll do<br \/>\n20:47<br \/>\nand in in california we had<br \/>\n20:50<br \/>\nuh<br \/>\n20:51<br \/>\nsomething called 10 20 life which was<br \/>\n20:53<br \/>\nbasically that you would if you carried<br \/>\n20:55<br \/>\na firearm during the commission of a<br \/>\n20:57<br \/>\nfelony if you discharged a firearm in<br \/>\n20:59<br \/>\nthe commission of felony or you you<br \/>\n21:01<br \/>\nkilled someone with a firearm there<br \/>\n21:03<br \/>\nwould be a significant increase in<br \/>\n21:06<br \/>\nuh penalty for that the existence of<br \/>\n21:08<br \/>\nthat firearm so it&#8217;s this odd thing to<br \/>\n21:10<br \/>\nwhere california<br \/>\n21:12<br \/>\nprofesses at a policy level uh to be uh<br \/>\n21:16<br \/>\nuh anti-gun<br \/>\n21:18<br \/>\nand yet<br \/>\n21:19<br \/>\nwe have in a large part<br \/>\n21:21<br \/>\nyeah<br \/>\n21:22<br \/>\nyes it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it completely increases<br \/>\n21:24<br \/>\nthe gun to do a robbery then it&#8217;s okay<br \/>\n21:26<br \/>\nright<br \/>\n21:27<br \/>\nright and now is this fixable based on<br \/>\n21:30<br \/>\nwhat you see<br \/>\n21:32<br \/>\ni hope it&#8217;s fixable i i hope uh as the<br \/>\n21:35<br \/>\npublic uh uh sees what&#8217;s actually<br \/>\n21:38<br \/>\nhappening for themselves<br \/>\n21:40<br \/>\nand despite some of the the<br \/>\n21:44<br \/>\nnewspaper articles some of the<br \/>\n21:46<br \/>\nuh being told by politicians that<br \/>\n21:49<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re lying eyes in other<br \/>\n21:51<br \/>\nwords that i think the public is waking<br \/>\n21:53<br \/>\nup to it and saying you know what this<br \/>\n21:55<br \/>\nis really a problem when when when you<br \/>\n21:57<br \/>\ncannot walk the streets of san francisco<br \/>\n22:00<br \/>\nwhen when people are telling<br \/>\n22:02<br \/>\nmoving out of san francisco or l.a even<br \/>\n22:05<br \/>\nbecause they&#8217;re saying i don&#8217;t want my<br \/>\n22:07<br \/>\nkids to get off the bus and have to step<br \/>\n22:10<br \/>\nover homeless people that have a needle<br \/>\n22:11<br \/>\nstuck on their arm<br \/>\n22:14<br \/>\ni think there will be a consequence and<br \/>\n22:15<br \/>\nthere will be a tipping point that<br \/>\n22:17<br \/>\nhappens when the public will begin more<br \/>\n22:19<br \/>\naggressively to push back against these<br \/>\n22:21<br \/>\nmisguided policies and how should the<br \/>\n22:23<br \/>\npublic get involved would they have to<br \/>\n22:26<br \/>\ntalk to their district attorneys or is<br \/>\n22:28<br \/>\nit something they have to go to<br \/>\n22:30<br \/>\nhow can they make this change or what do<br \/>\n22:32<br \/>\nthey need to do do they need to pay more<br \/>\n22:34<br \/>\nattention to this role i think they need<br \/>\n22:36<br \/>\nto pay pay more attention to it and<br \/>\n22:38<br \/>\nreally ask you know tough questions in<br \/>\n22:40<br \/>\nterms of what are their policies when<br \/>\n22:42<br \/>\nwhen someone is running for elected<br \/>\n22:44<br \/>\noffice whatever the office may be<br \/>\n22:46<br \/>\nto ask them tough questions about what<br \/>\n22:48<br \/>\nare their plans what&#8217;s their what&#8217;s<br \/>\n22:50<br \/>\ntheir solution for dealing with<br \/>\n22:52<br \/>\nlet&#8217;s say homelessness what&#8217;s their<br \/>\n22:53<br \/>\nsolution for dealing with crime do they<br \/>\n22:56<br \/>\nbelieve in personal accountability and<br \/>\n22:57<br \/>\nresponsibility<br \/>\n22:59<br \/>\nin the way that they manage their office<br \/>\n23:02<br \/>\ni was interviewing a district attorney<br \/>\n23:04<br \/>\nand he told me that<br \/>\n23:06<br \/>\nin his county<br \/>\n23:08<br \/>\nif you actually steal a car<br \/>\n23:11<br \/>\nand you actually get into you get<br \/>\n23:13<br \/>\narrested you get in trouble they give<br \/>\n23:14<br \/>\nyou two years and then you go to jail<br \/>\n23:16<br \/>\nand you get out in two weeks right<br \/>\n23:18<br \/>\nbecause they&#8217;re overcrowded can you<br \/>\n23:20<br \/>\nexplain this how it works like is that<br \/>\n23:22<br \/>\nwell<br \/>\n23:23<br \/>\nthe california department of corrections<br \/>\n23:24<br \/>\nand rehabilitation has<br \/>\n23:27<br \/>\nas because of things like prop 57<br \/>\n23:30<br \/>\nbecause of prop 47 prop 57 and some<br \/>\n23:32<br \/>\nother changes in the rules<br \/>\n23:34<br \/>\nregardless of the amount of time someone<br \/>\n23:36<br \/>\nis being sentenced<br \/>\n23:38<br \/>\nthey will make a determination on<br \/>\n23:39<br \/>\nwhether or not that person should be<br \/>\n23:41<br \/>\nreleased i&#8217;ll give you a very good<br \/>\n23:43<br \/>\nrecent example<br \/>\n23:45<br \/>\nin our county there was a person who was<br \/>\n23:47<br \/>\ncaught<br \/>\n23:48<br \/>\nabout five years ago he had<br \/>\n23:53<br \/>\nhe conducted numerous residential<br \/>\n23:55<br \/>\nburglaries we broke into houses he was<br \/>\n23:57<br \/>\nconvicted of of 28 residential<br \/>\n24:00<br \/>\nburglaries<br \/>\n24:01<br \/>\nbreaking into<br \/>\n24:02<br \/>\nbecause of the magnitude of them<br \/>\n24:05<br \/>\nthat many residential burglaries the<br \/>\n24:07<br \/>\njudge essentially sentenced him to 40<br \/>\n24:09<br \/>\nyears in prison a very lengthy sentence<br \/>\n24:12<br \/>\nfor a lot of crime and he had a prior<br \/>\n24:14<br \/>\nhistory of committing those types of<br \/>\n24:16<br \/>\ncrimes<br \/>\n24:17<br \/>\nin a little more than four years before<br \/>\n24:20<br \/>\nafter a little more than four years of a<br \/>\n24:22<br \/>\n40-year sentence the california<br \/>\n24:24<br \/>\ndepartment of corrections and<br \/>\n24:25<br \/>\nrehabilitation released him out of<br \/>\n24:27<br \/>\ncustody so that&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening so<br \/>\n24:31<br \/>\nright now in the state of california<br \/>\n24:33<br \/>\nwell let me back up 10 years ago we had<br \/>\n24:36<br \/>\n165 000 inmates in in department of<br \/>\n24:40<br \/>\ncorrections in prison felons who are<br \/>\n24:43<br \/>\nserving time in prison today we have a<br \/>\n24:46<br \/>\nright around 90 000 so we&#8217;ve dropped<br \/>\n24:49<br \/>\ndramatically the number of people that<br \/>\n24:51<br \/>\nare in custody and a significant<br \/>\n24:53<br \/>\npercentage of that 90 000 are people<br \/>\n24:56<br \/>\ndoing<br \/>\n24:58<br \/>\nlong long sentences for things like<br \/>\n25:00<br \/>\nmultiple aggravated sexual assaults<br \/>\n25:03<br \/>\nmurders people doing life without the<br \/>\n25:05<br \/>\npossibility of parole so the department<br \/>\n25:06<br \/>\ncorrections can&#8217;t release them it&#8217;s as<br \/>\n25:09<br \/>\nthough they&#8217;re falling over themselves<br \/>\n25:11<br \/>\nto release people<br \/>\n25:13<br \/>\nearly<br \/>\n25:14<br \/>\nthe big what was characterized initially<br \/>\n25:16<br \/>\nis a mass shooting in sacramento a few<br \/>\n25:19<br \/>\nmonths ago<br \/>\n25:20<br \/>\nthe primary participants in that<br \/>\n25:22<br \/>\nwhat turned out to be a a gang gun fight<br \/>\n25:26<br \/>\nas opposed to a mass shooting<br \/>\n25:28<br \/>\nwere people who had been released early<br \/>\n25:30<br \/>\nfrom<br \/>\n25:31<br \/>\nfrom their sentences<br \/>\n25:33<br \/>\nand so it&#8217;s a very big problem here in<br \/>\n25:35<br \/>\ncalifornia<br \/>\n25:36<br \/>\nwhy is that they&#8217;re releasing these<br \/>\n25:38<br \/>\ninmates is that<br \/>\n25:40<br \/>\nbecause there&#8217;s no space because there<br \/>\n25:42<br \/>\nwas a court ruling back in the day that<br \/>\n25:44<br \/>\nyeah that said that<br \/>\n25:46<br \/>\nwe were jamming people into this prison<br \/>\n25:48<br \/>\nright or is there other reason well we<br \/>\n25:50<br \/>\nwent from as i said 165 000 the the<br \/>\n25:53<br \/>\ncapacity what the prisons were<br \/>\n25:56<br \/>\nsupposed to be<br \/>\n25:58<br \/>\nbecause of that was somewhere around 135<br \/>\n26:00<br \/>\n000 so<br \/>\n26:03<br \/>\nbut we didn&#8217;t stop releasing them when<br \/>\n26:04<br \/>\nwe hit 135. now we&#8217;re down to 90 000 and<br \/>\n26:08<br \/>\nwe&#8217;re continuing to release people early<br \/>\n26:11<br \/>\nand it&#8217;s as though this administration<br \/>\n26:14<br \/>\nand the california legislature<br \/>\n26:17<br \/>\nthey just don&#8217;t want to hold people<br \/>\n26:19<br \/>\naccountable they won&#8217;t they<br \/>\n26:20<br \/>\nit started out saving money but then now<br \/>\n26:23<br \/>\nit&#8217;s gone to a point where we&#8217;re just<br \/>\n26:25<br \/>\nreleasing people<br \/>\n26:26<br \/>\num if there&#8217;s a way to release someone<br \/>\n26:28<br \/>\nfrom custody they&#8217;re releasing them so<br \/>\n26:30<br \/>\nit&#8217;s more ideological<br \/>\n26:32<br \/>\ni believe so<br \/>\n26:33<br \/>\nbeing in your position you&#8217;re seeing all<br \/>\n26:35<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s happening with the district<br \/>\n26:37<br \/>\nattorneys in san francisco l.a and crime<br \/>\n26:39<br \/>\nis going up<br \/>\n26:40<br \/>\nhow do you feel about it<br \/>\n26:42<br \/>\nwell i&#8217;m bothered by it i mean i i love<br \/>\n26:45<br \/>\nyou know to go to san francisco or los<br \/>\n26:47<br \/>\nangeles it&#8217;s not where i live but i love<br \/>\n26:49<br \/>\nto visit them and i uh uh i grew up a<br \/>\n26:54<br \/>\nbig chunk of the time in l.a county as a<br \/>\n26:56<br \/>\nchild<br \/>\n26:58<br \/>\nand<br \/>\n26:58<br \/>\n[Music]<br \/>\n27:00<br \/>\nto see<br \/>\n27:02<br \/>\nthe the the countless homelessness that<br \/>\n27:04<br \/>\ngoes on the crime both in san francisco<br \/>\n27:07<br \/>\nand la and throughout the state of<br \/>\n27:08<br \/>\ncalifornia it&#8217;s very disturbing and and<br \/>\n27:12<br \/>\ni&#8217;d like to see some change there do you<br \/>\n27:14<br \/>\nhave any other thoughts for our audience<br \/>\n27:17<br \/>\nno i greatly appreciate being here and<br \/>\n27:20<br \/>\ntalking to you about this and i i<br \/>\n27:22<br \/>\ni hope that the public really does you<br \/>\n27:25<br \/>\nknow<br \/>\n27:26<br \/>\ncontinue to increasingly wake up to<br \/>\n27:29<br \/>\nuh<br \/>\n27:30<br \/>\nthe problems that are here and how<br \/>\n27:32<br \/>\nyou know well-intentioned but misguided<br \/>\n27:34<br \/>\npolicies have created a lot of the<br \/>\n27:36<br \/>\nproblems we&#8217;re dealing with<br \/>\n27:38<br \/>\nveron pearson the district attorney of<br \/>\n27:40<br \/>\nel dorado county was great to have you<br \/>\n27:42<br \/>\nin california insider well thank you<br \/>\n27:44<br \/>\nappreciate being here<br \/>\n27:46<br \/>\n[Music]<br \/>\n27:49<br \/>\nthank you for watching please click the<br \/>\n27:51<br \/>\nicon on the left to subscribe to our<br \/>\n27:52<br \/>\nchannel we bring you the most 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